Perhaps youll click the first. Let's go: Meenah died at 19, this iteration of Vriska died at 13. In Meat, like in pretty much the rest of the back half of the comic, shes in a coma, her body puppeteered by other characters. No, I am pretty sure that's because there's a sex "scene" that they didn't want children to see. I don't think writing off the whole webcomic as worthless because it's 'problematic' is smart either. But the comic you included in the docs is dumb and makes no sense to me. Still, he said that the text works as a thematic followup to his entire experience with building a fandom. The largest, most active Homestuck community. Please attribute any perceived bias as poor phrasing on my part, rather than a statement of opinion.
Andrew Hussie on Homestucks cult-like fans and - Polygon In any case, for Tavros and Terezi, I will discuss separately their problematic treatment both inside the web-comic and in the fandom. Take later. And thats not even touching anything a part of Homestucks spin-off game, Hiveswap. I'd never had a Fruit Gusher.
Why And then theres this game in the mail. Tavros treatment in homestuck is also disgusting, in all honesty. Pedophilia and incest in one fell swoop. What was the point of Homestuck? This doesn't excuse every instance, but Homestuck generally invites its readers to think critically about what's being said. I dont know what to say or think about any of this at this point. As the community got larger, and Hussie wanted more control of the story, this eventually petered out, which did distance some of the older problem sleuth fans. An exciting plot is all fine and good, but no one is buying into that if your characters are nothing but paper puppets, acting in any way that moves the plot forward. But Hussie was ready for something new, and in his words, anti-cult.. Its upsetting to read either way. Are many of them flawed? The sexism accusations over the most passive class (Muse) being female. No idea who that is, I covered incest above and I am 24, so what's your point? They obviously "matured" when dead. Web1,362,830. Theres a bias inherent in that fact alone. Im not even going to get into their relentless support of ikimaru, the terrible treatment and handling of canonically gay characters, the overall grossness of the quadrant system, Another epilogue has been released as an official fanfiction, some of the tags are jokes, some are not, and im personally not at all interested in finding out which is real and which arent. Theres a problem with activations getting backed up, & stuck in our system. This applies to the treatment of Mituna, who due to the overexertion of his psychic powers received brain damage that altered his personality. However, back when HS was being written, it was OK to say the word. I'm not really interested in Thermian arguments; trolls aren't real, Hussie created them that way for a reason. A confirmation hes referring to Kanayas lesbian identity as the fetish he remarked from above. I still maintain that any album with a song entitled Pumpkin Party in Sea Hitlers Water Apocalypse is a good album by default on principle now and forever. So naturally I made a post "complaining" about how there were more people complaining about how there were more people complaining about people complaining about the Caucasian thing than there were people complaining about the Caucasian thing than there were people complaining about people complaining about the Caucasian thing. It makes the story feel cyclical in a good way. Hussies Psycholonials, a visual novel released in the spring of 2021, follows Zhen and Abby two girls who must figure out what to do with a mess of a revolution and empire that they themselves prompted. I don't think people give the tumblr community enough credit for how much creative content it produces, but they are right that the SJW side can get a little over the top. Point 2: Homestuck is INTENTIONALLY challenging.
Read MSPA 15 Most Toxic Fandoms in the World (Ranked) - Fiction Horizon (But please, don't jsut say that "it's morally wrong" and then not explain how. They also continually support gross artists, like Aeritus for example who has lots of merch on ffbf, and ships incest ships without much of a second thought despite being 27 years old. Like how Vriska, a character who spent the entire comic inserting herself into important story events in a quest to become the most important character of the narrative, ends up trapped in Candy, locked away forever from canon. No one needs me to tell anyone this, but stories can always serve as reminders.. The proposal, which was passed 6 to 1 by the St. Paul City council, will have to be approved by the state legislature. And then theres this punch-card based, bit-wise inventory system that they exploit to make whatever they want in the game. Toward the end of the story, Z and her best friend are forced to figure out what to do with the empire that theyve built that has become difficult to control a reality that Hussie himself is familiar with as a de facto leader of a fandom. Every single one of those tags appears somewhere in the story, including but not limited to: unhealthy relationships, graphic depictions of violence, transphobia, rape, major character death, and (may God help us all) eggs. He is, by my estimation, the most interesting part of either epilogue, anyway. The entire story was one long, continuous block that Ive long since forgotten, spiraling through whatever settings kids would love to live in: outer space, ancient Egypt, the woods, the African Savannah, the world of Pokemon, magic, whatever. The back half of the comic focuses on (in the most charitable definition of the word focus) the fight to stop Lord English. Point 4: Explanation and justification are not the same. I don't see it. that is my mission, and that is why you can't fucking stand me. Because automatic fire is inaccurate. The character's sue like traits and abilities get them through non important bits, but fail them when they need them most. Meat, like Lord English, is already here. Damara speaks in broken english, and her japanese is straight from google translate. Andrew Hussie! Oh I just know this one will be worth the reading. 1,362,830. I perhaps havent heard from Jane fans because they dont really exist, but you get my point. N/A. About 8,000 pages. But discussing inefficiencies and difficulties doesnt automatically translate to grumbling, but can be constructive and even strengthen bonds. The content vacuum created by a cryptid leader results in overwhelming conditions of parasociality, and the projections of personality, morality, and biographical data onto the blank-slate leader can get ludicrous, and often pretty spiteful. As are the characters. Will they ever cease? But, there is still no ETA for everything to work normally again. After around the half-way mark she stops being important, so I was excited to see if she gets any big moments in the epilogues. Okay, geez! (peachy in bright text.
What Is Dogfighting, Why Does It Still Asaresult, the narrative remains incomplete and unstable, and the relevance of key events is questioned all together. So to that end I'd like to know what events caused the biggest splash with fans. And then the time boss totally starts wrecking up the multiverse like its no ones business. Even considering the medium of the text itself, its a remarkably online object. Point 1: Homestuck is 'problematic' in the way that many people are beginning to dislike. After that page was posted, people (mostly from Tumblr) started a bit of an uproar, so Hussie retconned that page to say "PEACHY" rather than Caucasian. Except, https://www.homestuck.com/story/386 has this to say: EB: that's fine, you are entitled to your opinion, i am just saying that being a white guy who is a rapper with a ventriloquist doll is not cool by any stretch of the imagination or by any definition of word cool, ironic or otherwise. Theres even a page that compels the reader to take selfies and post them on social media. Stelsa should only be written by someone Jewish. Such a cool set of powers that only works in something like Homestuck. Kismessitudes really were just abusive relationships (we never saw a healthy example, the "dead ringer" of a black romance, Spades Slick and the troll's Black Queen, has BQ stab Slick in the eye and cut off his hand and Slick later shooters her. And then the four original kids make their game unplayable so they reset their entire universe so they can have a chance at winning. I read the links, and I don't see it. We did investigate it. Please keep in mind, the characters of friendsim are all minors. And then theres this whole other universe filled with aliens, Trolls, who already played it. Oh come on, he jsut made a joke. But understanding that Psycholonials is chiefly an anti-cult narrative should help point to how I view the Homestuck phenomenon. He forces Rose to consent to being kidnapped, then makes her wife, Kanaya, blame herself for it all. Wi-Fi 6E is the latest Wi-Fi technology that provides faster speeds, lower latency, and improved overall network performance. Z decides to launch a new brand, and to rebrand her own image by making a clownsona, and then roll out new content to the public as a way of turning the page on whatever she was up to before. It is problematic in that it presents characters with unlikeable traits in a positive light, problematic in the way it jokes about very serious subjects like abuse and murder, problematic in that it includes discriminatory language throughout the text, problematic in that oodles of teased ships are 'creepy' due to the age and/or percieved age and/or other factors Problematic like The Iliad, like Hannibal, like The Wire, like, The Shining, Lolita, Dracula, and so many other pieces of classic media. 2. MSPA is an epic sprawling online webcomics creation by Andrew Hussie (and supporting artists.) Yeah, honestly the content of these docs probably says a lot more about the author of them they they do anything about Andrew Hussie. Where does this leave a generation that grew up online, many of whom were devout Homestuck readers? The Homestuck following was (and is in many ways still) very involved with the project. Whatever. Smarter bloggers have tried and failed. WebHomestuck has three characters with definite disabilitiesTavros, Terezi, and Solluxthough for the purposes of this article, I will focus on Tavros and Terezi as, ever since Sollux has become blind, we simply have not had much screen time with him to merit analysis The language used might seem lamentable to a young person today, but much of Homestuck is a product of its time. And the world ends. Just don't think it's safe for your thirteen-year-old brother just 'cause the protagonist is the same age xDD. Ive yet to hear from Jane fans who had to watch the character Ben Shapiro her way into supporting actual genocide of an entire race of sentient beings. And then they win the third time, after John rewrites the story to make that happen, and finally get to go to a new universe and live happily ever after. The largest flaw in Terezis portrayal is that, while she is blind, she relies on superpowers that essentially eliminate her blindness and eliminate the real experiences of actual blind people, making her blindness into its own disability superpower. Press J to jump to the feed. At time of publication, there are roughly 57,000 works of fanfiction dedicated to the series on Archive of Our Own. Cyberduds. Turns out you cant just kill your entire cast and replace them with slightly different versions of the same characters we havent really had the chance to know. Moreover, it occurs over and over again, too. In fact, you yourself just said that "Japanese highschool girl esque- outfits" are sexual. The only challenge to his control over the story is presented by Calliope, the dead, all-powerful sister to Lord English I mentioned earlier. I don't really care and didn't know about this before I skimmed this but you seriously didn't notice Meenah and HIC talked stereotypically black? Thats how obsessive preoccupation works, and its an accelerator of these forms of online cultism. What Pumpkin, unlike Hasbro, is not a media giant with multiple branches and properties under its wings; it's a (very) small business with a very direct relationship between items sold and revenue made. WebAndrew Hussie (born August 25, 1979) is an American author and artist. People generally overlook when boys are sexualized, (examples, all the shirtless art of the boys of BNHA, the entire Free series, etc.). Conveniently, two EMBEDDED HYPERLINKS have been placed within your line of sight, each fitted with an ATTRACTIVE THUMBNAIL to guide your ravenous eyes in their general vicinity.
why Homestuck The easiest example of this is Dave's HELLA toxic masculinity in the early game. Example: MLP makes money not only by merchandising but also by ad sales, etc. MS Paint Adventures by Andrew Hussie. Its a contemporary text that carries the history of Hussies work and online life for better and for worse. Sure, each panel is a webpage connected by links, but almost every panel only has one link, and thats to the next panel. Like, I didnt even mention how many of these fuckers die along the way. Dogfighting is a type of blood sport in which dogs are forced to fight one another for the entertainment and/or profit of spectators. While the kickstarter itself was controversial due to how much money it raised, despite Hussie having never made a game before. The outfits Jade is wearing is her outfit she wore when she was 13, implying her age in the art. People dissect drama around his work and become amateur reporters on matters internal to his company. Conspiracy theories, outright fabrications, connecting dots on whatever precious facts are known to paint whatever picture the theorizer wants to paint. Yes. Theres the aforementioned not-finishing-the-story-ness I talked about earlier. Homestuck has never shied away from cartoonish gore and bloodshed before, but ironically, what the epilogues lack in pictures they make up for in graphic content. Homestuck fan here, This caused such a huge blowup in the fandom that Hussie eventually changed the line to "I feel so peachy". In addition, his disability is usually synonymous with the fact that Tavros is considered by the characters around him to be a loserTavros as a loser in his social circle, combined with his disability, make him a common object of ridicule. WebHomestuck is bad because the fandom makes it seem like Vriska genuanly got punishment for all the awful things she did by getting punched twice and feeling bad when in actuality she deserved to get killed off and never spoken about again. Eventually, she goes on to write a widely read manifesto; taking the reins of a militant revolutionary group that wears goth clown makeup. In response, the YouTuber made a video about their threat, which according to the legal document shared by the Sarah Z cited false, speculative claims, propelling the matter even further into the public theater. Or like how this first conversation between John and Terezi is way different knowing John spends his dying breaths bleeding out, poisoned, hate-fucking Terezi in the back of his dads Sedan. The largest, most active Homestuck community.
READER,PLAYER].DIE();: What Kind Of Its not that I think people should, its that everyone already knows they should, he said. I'm on the same boat here. Terezi wanted them to be "L1K3 4 I haven't seen a single person defend Zebruh. The paradoxes are explained via a Universe space that allows them to be such. Regardless, the intense gaze of the man in the thumbnail dares you to go on and see what the hell this is all about. Web1. Music is so integral to the experience of Homestuck Id argue the story doesnt work without it.
Snowman Yet were given both to read. The player is driven to suicide due to a callout post from cirava after they accuse the player of copying them, Theres a legit slave owner character that the fandom insists on defending no matter what. In the first chapter of Psycholonials, Zhen, the novels main character, shoots and kills a cop. Please also read our Privacy Notice and Terms of Use, which became effective December 20, 2019. Dividend Yield. Hussie didn't make John and Karkat et al drop the r word to say anything about them, that's just a word he himself used to use, so his characters did too. Feferi's weight. Yes, Vriska did that.
Bad Projection Is Ruining the Movie Theater Experience People have clamored for us to produce high quality cosplay-ready horns for years, ever since I began working at WP. Streamers have to become increasingly savvy about the need to defend personal boundaries without provoking the ire of fans. The solid sales performance also lifted the food retailer's profit margins. Theres also the fact that the epilogues have no qualms about crushing aspects of the story the reader may have enjoyed. why are you playing with those dangerous girls?". WebHomestuck tends to congregate in large groups that can cause problems at conventions. EDIT: Let me clarify here. At its peak, the comic entertained roughly 600,000 readers a day, and inspired one of the most robust cult followings of a generation fans filled convention floors with cosplays of the characters and filled online forums and websites like Tumblr full of fan art. The difference should be obvious, Devils advocate here: She's small, not neccesarily young. The interactive story of Homestuck strung out to epic proportions it is over 8,000 pages long and ran from 2009 until 2016. Attempts to defeat him with conventional weaponry are doomed to fail because he is already here.
Why Sprouts Farmers Market Stock Jumped This Week In case you don't know what I am talking about: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ojLmFm-WUrCZ7fXALowpiAW7jklCfq14n0Zz1ECdsX0/mobilebasic, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z_pA2pfbnyXjxMx4PZm_LNbRSO3cZuZJ2jOOD1RpE0o/edit. In a flurry of accusations, the video called out both the studios financial decisions and Hussies own creative work as it pertained to the release of the game. I didn't pick up on things like that when I first read Homestuck because I'm from England and didn't watch American 'real life' shows, ie, media set in our world or a variation of it, or listen to genres like rap, hip-hop, etc. These Fraymotifs stack when two characters use their own powers to create something new and even stronger, similar to how each characters leitmotif stacks in the music of the comic to bring the reader to higher story beats.
Vrisrezi | Shipping Wiki | Fandom As far as controversies contained within the fandom go, there's only one big one that I can think of. As both of the characters are canonically gay many people consider it erasing their sexuality to put them in heterosexual pairings in fanfic. But it's also a prime example of the hidden insolvency that exists across much of the banking sector.
problem Do trolls even have races? But Im not really sure Ive got much of a lowdown to give. Question: Hey hiveswap team and @skullmandible, confirm Lanque as a trans boy yes/no? Troll society is vastly different from human society. Delorosas constant rape was considered unapologetically trashy romance and porn. (As he puts it, its about the things its about.) The story presents a modern path to revolution in which the catalyst for the overthrow of an imperialist system is not the military strongmen of old, but a young woman with social media savvy. That having been said Alternia, at least to me, was supposed to be some kind of dark joke about society; I mean their Jesus upon the moment of his crucifixion started cursing everyone out because they're just so shitty. Point 3: Homestuck is not delicate or child friendly. The few legitimate criticisms that arent nitpicks or blind virtue signaling arent even all that damning. nothing you have written is debunking anything, it's just you saying you don't agree/see it. Okay, so the plot hole is also a cue ball and the whole story is pool and chess and I think blackjack. Her Imperious Condescension is one of the most notable victims of hussies blatant racism.
Elise on Twitter: "@vomitcore Wait is homestuck problematic?" / Jake even blames himselflaterintheconversation, and John lets that slide. Quite a bit of it, has, unfortunately landed on rachel, who if I recall correctly, is in charge of a lot of the business decisions, or at least enforcing them. We use cookies and other tracking technologies to improve your browsing experience on our site, show personalized content and targeted ads, analyze site traffic, and understand where our audiences come from. In a video published in April 2021, Canadian YouTuber Sarah Z delved into the history of Homestuck and Hiveswap, with a focus on the turbulent development cycle of Hiveswap. Read it on a computer. "umm that karkat is problematic? I tend prefer Jade when she has as at least milligram of agency, but, again, sorry I liked her in the first place, I guess. It does not mean animosity is what is taking place here. I like my complaints like I like my inception, always going one level deeper. Hussies apprehension of fandom and the wild projections that come with presiding over one seem appropriate given how public comments on his work ignite controversy within the fandom.
Why If Im Hussie, I use the epilogues to tie up lose ends and put the story to rest, not start this whole other tangent about what canon really means and how all your favorite characters are actually awful people. That'd apply if the author was using it in dialogue for a particular reason, to say something specific about the characters, and not just because it was in the author's own regular vocabulary. But theyre also very upsetting in general. Hussie said he returned to the 140,000 word long draft, cut the story in half, and tried to make it feel like something legitimately worth reading to anyone who crossed the full span of 2020s madness.. And then there are all the people who cant shroud themselves in secrecy.
Why Banning from conventions. WebVrisrezi is the femslash ship between Terezi Pyrope and Vriska Serket from the Homestuck fandom. After the epilogues to the story released in April 2019, the story stands at just over 1 million words. Hussie saying that Kanaya's lesbianism is considered a fetish in troll society isn't Hussie saying that he considers lesbianism a fetish. Heck, people are still debating troll genitalia). Wo Long: Fallen Dynasty is the latest product to feel the review bomb burn. Maybe the epilogues are in part supposed to make us feel what its like to have to balance plot-driven meat with fluffy, character-driven candy and, even after years of practice, to still feel like youve come up short. It was a joke/was supposed to be weird/the character doing the thing was supposed to look bad for it. Many fans were already disappointed with the comics canon ending. And, most problematically, they do so without his consent, waiting until he is asleep to forcibly cut off his legs and replace them with the robolegs. Pyscholonials isnt about Andrew Hussie and it isnt a Homestuck sequel. For this specifically, theres nothing wrong with Mallek himself, its moreover how hes treated. The epilogues were poorly received among some fans for a variety of reasons. The [Online Poisoned] often even joke with self awareness about their bad internet habits, but [they] just keep doing it, Hussie said. There was some controversy when homestuck first came out. Lynera is literally stalking Bronya, trying to control her relationships, and threatening those who get inbetween. Im all for fair criticism, but this aint it. Given the comics exponential trajectory it set for itself early on, it had to get this meta at some point. I can say knowing how things turn out, when possible, is cool. Ill get upset of my own accord. This can feel like mockery to some, and to some degree, it is but there is usually a point behind doing so. Why it matters: Silvergate had an unusually strong balance sheet but that wasn't enough to save it because in today's high-rate If you dont write often and consequently dont think of story length in terms of word count (what are you, a normal person? From troll call, right? DISH network users facing authentication or login issues. In Candy, shes this pushy, horny, clueless woman with alarmingly dubious ideas surrounding consent, who pushes her friends away and pressures Dave in marrying her, preventing him from living out the fact that hes gay. On Twitter, creatives, journalists, and anyone with a modest following agonize over what people think they know about them online, and trolls regularly obsess over personal information around topics like mental health. They dont have a concept of incest and I wouldnt be surprised if they werent bothered by age Gaps either with how impersonal their mating is. Homestuck has three characters with definite disabilitiesTavros, Terezi, and Solluxthough for the purposes of this article, I will focus on Tavros and Terezi as, ever since Sollux has become blind, we simply have not had much screen time with him to merit analysis at this point. Fans still regularly obsess over questions and details of Hussies life and work.
what problematic homestuck character are you Im not sure if fondly is the word Id use here, but I can regard it. SBaHJ is hailed as hilarious by being so INTENTIONALLY awful. They eventually date in Candy, but it turns into a lopsided, unhealthy marriage and subsequent that prevents him from fully processing the fact that he is trans. 13. Maybe because Hussie doesn't actually speak English?
It's a silly argument but it exists nonetheless. He who is without sin may cast the first stone. Ever heard of that? Peachy is a better joke anyway (because fruits). There is no denying that. WebPhillip Faraone/Getty Images. Characters can use special super-moves called Fraymotifs, a portmanteau of the words fray and leitmotif. Theres enough music that the music references itself as you move through the story, creating a kind of self-contained musical canon. I can come to my own conclusions. Wait, not having a shirt on is sexual now? Id Id tell you more about them, but the comic doesnt at all bother to develop this cool idea in the slightest. Why else would he made the prison comment? The same can be said for any cultist.. I've been dealing with this stuff for years--just this very small, specific subset of the law in question--and I still ask our legal counsel for clarification or confirmation fairly often, because it's not always straightforward.
The Biggest Controversies In Homestuck : r/homestuck - reddit Constantly seeking out fetishistic situations and sexualizing characters in a fantasy story as well reading straight up bullshit from in-between the lines. ), heres an approximation of just how insane that is: new writers are advised that the first book the try to publish should be around 6070 thousand words. It also has an unprecidented degree of fan interaction laced throughout the comic, with readers being invited in through suggesting actions, names, and other content; producing art and music; and headcanons later 'canonised' or 'debunked'. but the stance that critical enjoyment is impossible because of those aspects that don't look good today is pretty flawed. (not sure on the proper wording for this, if theres better wording let me know and ill change it) As a result of his accident, he is constantly babyed or harassed by other characters.