It seems like people like her say: this is me. Agreed. He was competing in show jumping events with his horses until at least his 70s. The Berman era had specific ideas about things like accents and music that kind of locked it into something fairly homogeneous. Yes I forgot David Mack is a consultant on this show too and is well aware of all the post-Nemesis stories in the novels. Its not celebrating obesity to say that her body is her business and nobody elses. It was EXACTLY what I needed while mourning my own mother. And no one in their right mind would play poker with her. Star Trek: Discovery | Tilly Chooses To Live | Paramount+ And we saw the results of all that. Lol. Tilly should have been introduced as female Barclay or a less extreme version of junior lieutenant Picard in Tapestry (the alternate timeline where his career stalled after avoiding getting stabbed in the heart). Its been a continuing book series since 2009 and still going. The show will roll out on Paramount Plus in the US, and is expected to stream on Netflix elsewhere. I would imagine those who liked Barclay probably include a large portion of those who like Tilly. Remember , they had steroids and thyroid problems in the 80's, but the majority of people were off normal weight, which today would be called skinny. Finally, actress Rekha Sharma shared this fun behind-the-scenes photo with Doug Jones and David Benjamin Tomlinson, where she lamented Landry being killed off yet again. I can see myself having a few bottles of synthehol with him. And CBS posted some images of Emperor Georgious quarters on the ISS Discovery. Tilly once thought being captain was her biggest dream, but after a . With his skill and abilities, we will see how he may use them in a way that may affect his relationship with Michael Burnham. What was your point to this comment, anyway, except to minimize and dismiss support for plus-size women? There are admittedly quite a few other Starfleet officers Scotty and Riker, for example who prove that being chunky is still a thing in the future. You had a variety of body shapes on discovery Tilly was thick. Theres even a scene where she pretty much turns to the camera and says that shell stay till the very end. Michelle Yeoh, considerably smaller in physical stature, probably weighs around 90# [because she is allll muscle]. The actors are not slaves to the fans or public opinion. Keep up with theStar Trek Universe at TrekMovie.com. Right? I agree, the writing, character development, and story telling needs to improve. Her character Tilly is not my favorite on the show but body shaming is a shameful act by itself. I saw someone just last month asking on a Facebook fanpage if Starfleet had some kind of physical fitness standard and if so, shes violating it, ect.the same old idiotic abusive misogyny disguised as genuine concern. My best advice is to give some of the Litverse books a try and decide for yourself which writers appeal to you. Proceed accordingly. I think people need that kind of thing to heal. Ok, SH didnt invent this. Im not counting on it. To even suggest that is stupidity writ large. Then that very well could be something for not just women but everyone to aspire towards. Take me to the stars and tell me a story. Barclays ticks do get really annoying. Yeah, self absorbed is an excellent way to describe her character, Id never thought of it that way. Before we move on to SuKal this Thursday, there are still some bits to catch up on from the Terra Firma arc of Star Trek: Discovery. Why is that a command level position? David Ajala: I think its made Cleveland Booker even more attracted to Michael Burnham because I think he looks and goes Oh, scrumptious. KevinB: I let go of my preconceptions about what star trek is.. I let go of my preconceptions about what star trek is. Imo, this show tries so overly hard to be socially progressive, its the very thing that makes it a turn-off. Although the last TNG with Trois mom wasnt terrible. Where is this? Typical. No character like her would ever have graduated Starfleet. And it all happened OFF SCREEN! Makes sense. Thats not good writing, its oandering fan fiction, Starfleet is not military. Everybody loves Tilly. Except the writers of course. When Mary Wiseman's Lt. Sylvia Tilly left the USS Discovery for a job at the new Starfleet Academy in the fourth episode of season four, it was promised she would be back. Mary Wiseman, Cadet to Lieutenant Silvia Tilly on Star Trek: Discovery Absolutely. It is not yet known what role, if any, Wisemans Tilly would have in the upcoming season, with possibilities ranging from guest or recurring character to becoming a series regular again. Have to completely agree you T2. Star Trek: Discovery's Mary Wiseman and Blu del Barrio reflect on their character's journeys and the possibilities ahead. The other big issue Ive always had is the graphic nature of violence, this We are TV-MA streaming, so we can do anything attitude I simply hate that. Overweight and obesity are a leading health risk identified by the World Health Organization. There have been moments where they tried to do that, but like everything else on Discovery where self-doubt and emotional scenes of worry in darkly-lit rooms need to be front and center, they always seemed to bring Tilly back to spazzing out because she was nervous about whether she can do it before being put on a mission. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. I for one have always had to watch my weight and I still wage the battle to this day. Sonequa Martin-Green as Burnham hugging Mary Wiseman as Tilly in Coming Home. But Im just happy we are talking about Voyager again, especially since this show is basically a spin off of it! I know Gene Rodenberry never wanted Starfleet to be portrayed as a military outfit, but this has gone so far in the opposite direction that its being run like a pre-school participation awards ceremony. Other ships having counselors in the TNG era was mentioned. Thats a refreshing thing for Berman Era Star Trek, when characters tend to be more reserved and the dialogue is highly stylized and precise. By: TrekMovie.com Staff She let go in S4 of her parents expectations and embraced a new purpose. For what its worth Picard has an excellent cast, male and female, it just feels they are one or two notches above their discovery peers, maybe again due to writing/direction. And more importantly, were back to exploring both the prime universe and 24th century again we havent done since Voyagers final season, which was 20 years ago this year! Story: With . Along with this, the biggest thing that Michael aided Tilly with was her confidence. It's mostly the super-hero genre where you see this. And now, with only three years under her belt in the field, only two of which were as a ranked officer, they think shes somehow ready to train the next generation of recruits?! Mary Wiseman: That that could be a very powerful person in the Mirror Universe. I dont think Tilly is ruined. In the season four finale Coming Home, Mary Wiseman returned as Lt. Tilly, now a Starfleet Academy leader working with cadets and Admiral Vance to coordinate the evacuation and defense of Earth on Federation HQ. Youre perfect as you are. Overcome her issues. Han Van Sciver and Mary Wiseman in At the Wedding (Photo: Marc J. Franklin), Watch Wiseman and cast and crew talk about the season four finale. Weve seen Captain Killy, so what does Mirror Universe Book look like? At the end of season three, I felt that she became captain not because she had earned it, but because the time had run out on the series plan for her promotion. Its this kind of nonsense that ruins Discovery. Miss Wiseman F those fake Trekkies/Treksters keep acting your ass off. I think the ship can handle a little chonk. And now, with only three years under her belt in the field, From future Starfleets POV, thats 900 years! My personal opinion is, if you see ribs in their low decolletage, they are probably not so healthy. I assume my feelings towards them are what Wesley-haters endure. And it could fit nicely with Chakotays story on the show and that hes also in the DQ for the mission and now has to find the ship. They seemed to only be limited by what that particular script called for that week. The only writers they need are people who can polish it up enough so that you cant tell its machine-written. Bullied badly as a child and teen so I know what I speak of; Im just glad I grew up pre-Internet, and I sympathize with any nowadays who have to deal with Internet bullying on top of real world bullying. It makes sense there would be and that they be a part of the medical team. Martin-Green says she has come to accept changes in her body, especially after the birth of her second child shortly before production on season three: With my first pregnancy I bounced back without trying (which is a crime, by the way, that we expect women to do that after birth rather than focus on healing). Especially when there were just so many more qualified people for the job on and off the ship. I think others that make such claims are having their own feel feels hurt or nostalgia rattled. I have nothing against Mary Wiseman. Shes magnetic. This modern trend of celebrating obesity is what is wrong with American society, and is another reason why the rest of the world laughs at America. Did Star Trek: Discovery Just Lay The Groundwork For A New Spinoff? :P (I know the whole thing of having a *ships* councilor is inherently different from what real therapists do on dry land, but yeah its super weird. Too nervous and anxious. There is also the issue that a crew needing constant therapy sessions while regularly saving the galaxy is not an easy narrative trick to pull off. Control over ones own body is the most basic freedom we should have. You made very good points and I do agree. Fortunately, more than 30 years ago I was encouraged to focus on the health aspects of eating well and training hard and not the aesthetics. I like Tilly but shes not my favourite character. And I want to take care of me so I can continue to be me. Cant believe some fans complain about character A or B or C. I am sorry, but the obsessive complaining about Sonequa/Michael or Mary/Tilly, for who they are, is so rude. I KNOW, people say they are great, I was too focused on Star Trek when those were airing, but I might try and give the original show a shot one day. The reed-thin part sometimes involves unhealthy behaviors. And I felt that was ridiculous. Tillys character arc was mishandled once they realized Mary Wiseman was cast (Marys a decade or more older than Tilly). I recall when Trek featured a French captain with an English accent. I look at Disco as adding a new flavor to the existing universe. I hope that Wiseman uses that info into the future because it does work for fat burning and muscle building.. Everyone in the world do not look and act the same if it was for me, it would be a very boring uninterested world. Regarding fans, tons of them love Tilly. But one could argue a ship full of Barclays is not the most convincing portrait of humanity. There is such a difference between having criticisms of the way the characters are written and criticizing the actors performance/craft and their leadership in the company. I think that in a world thats so repressed and violent, violence becomes these peoples only outlet for pleasure and release. I really liked her in the first season. And I belong., After reading the Forbes article, Wiseman got some backup from someone who knows what its like to be a woman in the captains chair: Kate Mulgrew, who thinks Mary is killing it on Discovery and should pay the haters no mind., I saw the @Forbes article on Mary Wiseman @may_wise clearly killing it onscreen & off in #StarTrekDiscovery. Sick and tired of T and A being the main focus. But I did not watch DIS S4 either. It means something to me. The Klingon redesign was much more than a visual reboot and especially the tech aspects dont fit canon (holographic communication, Klingon cloaking, android bridge crew, easy terraforming, state-of-the-art nanotech, Enterprise battle squad). Two Kelpians and a Disco Kenny (Zero Kelpians were harmed during this shoot. Heaven forefend women feel good about themselves! Doug Jones Transforms into Star Trek: Discovery's Saru | Star Trek He was in the Travis Mayweather category. By being visible on your TV screen? IMHO, if she usually eats well, trains and commits to staying healthy, then life can be a lot of fun leading an active adventurous life while still enjoying food and fine dining and it is irrelevant what people say about her looks. But how the women look?! No spoilers in case I ever decide to actually the write the thing, but youd love it as a DS9 fan. Thank you, Trek Movie Staff, for sharing my interview with your readers and providing a link to Forbes.com! As far as science fiction most Trek shows have normal looking ppl. I thought her arc was going to end with her being booted from the service for repeatedly failing physical fitness tests? Book is Han Solo. Is Mary Wiseman Pregnant? Weight Gain And Pregnancy Rumor Of The Shes one of the shows most divisive characters. And with Troi being a betazoid, thats why she was on the bridge. David, has Michael becoming captain changed Books relationship with her? My only issue with Captain Killy is that she died that wonderful red hair blonde. I LOVE the future! Finally, Starfleet isn't a military organisation or an army. Respectfully, to anyone somehow offended by that. I dont think youre ready for that kind of interaction, online, or anywhere else. It has also been speculated that Wiseman may be moving over to the proposed Starfleet Academy show openly discussed by Alex Kurtzman and Paramount+ execs but not yet officially ordered as a series. In a Paramount+ featurette (which you can see below) about the making of the episode, Wiseman talks about how Tilly has changed: Coming back for the finale was really exciting for me because she comes back in this fully black Starfleet suit. She isnt back on Discovery. | November 13, 2021 | Im mostly just curious if Tillys removal from Disco came from Wiseman looking to do other projects or if they wrote it in and broke the news that she was getting cut as a regular. Shes responsible for her subordinates and to lead by example. But because of Discovery we have Lower Decks, Picard, Prodigy, Strange New Worlds, Short Treks, possibly Section 31 and the Academy show. Maybe Saru wont be on the ship as much but Im guessing they are going the same direction. At New York Comic Con, TrekMovie participated in some group interviews with members of the cast and crew, one of which was with the pair-up of Mary Wiseman (Tilly) and David Ajala (Book). So her appearances ended up not being 100% awful. Im proud to see that shes proud of herself. David Ajala: Yeah. In fact, it says far more about the body-shamers than it does about those being body-shamed. During the 1st season, Michael helped Tilly to gain confidence and then continued to nurture that confidence through . So many reasons to be critical of Disco plot holes, awful sense of morals, missed opportunities, etc. Sonequa is a great actress. It included a lot of the old characters too like Chakotay, BElanna, Tuvok with a lot of new characters. Jerks. There really are some of the DS9 authors that are stronger and some that tend to tell too much and show to little in their writing in my view. Most of what she did was convey the amazingly obvious like offering such useful insights such as, Hes concealing something but I dont know what. And her abilities were never fully defined. Acceptance? Sonequa is by all accounts probably the best or one of the best chef de compagnie of all the Trek series. If that scene reflects something she regularly incorporates into her real-life, then I think she will be just fine and she can tell the haters to go pound salt. Janeway is bridge crew, of course she was coming back! You can start with those or the later books in the Time to sequence without significant confusion. Nah Book is Boba Fett and I want to see the spin-off series THE BOOK OF BOOK :-). Ive never liked Tilly. Even though he is one of the worst characters in Trek, he was the main focus in arguably the best episode of Voyager: Timeless. We need to examine our highest ideals and allegiances to reveal our preconceived notions, shallow knee-jerk reactions, and find the truth about our choices. Just when it looks like the character has finally grown as a person and doing her own thing, comes right back. The laughing, alone, is far more damaging and shameful and disgusting and disrespectful than obesity itself. I absolutely love Tilly/Killy. I basically just know the books that gets discussed or reviewed here. Mary Wiseman Talks Curvy Killy On 'Star Trek: Discovery'; Kate Mulgrew Yes! Shes a little overweighed, so what? She was annoying to me, and the crew gave her a lot of leeway. I have this image in my head of the EPs saying to Mack that theyd like species that havent been main characters in other shows and asking him to give a list of options for a big and strong species, a species without a bianary gender etc. And it was mentioned in one of the episodes of the first season, I dont remember whichwould have to research, that councilors on Galaxy class ships due to the fact that families were on the ship and it was meant for longer than 5 year missions. And honestlyKirk wouldnt last a week in a military environment. Is Tilly leaving Discovery? - Everycareinternational.com And second of all, just to dig into it, you dont always get to see a woman like me in that sort of position. Mary shouldnt listen to the haters and Sonequa, I never noticed she looked any different than she did before, body wise. Of course my original statement still stands regarding Tilly becoming Sarus Number One. Me thinks that your issue is not that fans of nu trek are pandered to to feel better about themselves. Mary Wiseman (actress) - Wikipedia Many smoke to keep the weight off. This was her character and then had perhaps one or two incidents where she became a little more focused and then off screen came back a different person. Exactly. Episodes will be. Is her awkwardness all that different from Ezri on DS9? 'Star Trek: Discovery': Mary Wiseman on Tilly's Big Career Decision Not holding my breath hes given the job though, especially since we know Saru is coming back. Shes fantastic and looks fantastic doing it! No one can be expected to sugarcoat reality for you, and your attitude to people who dont is very indicative that you need someone to help you with that. I do find their quirks annoying at times, but the most important reason I like them is because theyre honest, kind people with a good heart. Maybe sociological issues? Yes but Star Trek shouldnt be about lazy writing, poor character development and bad storytelling. In general, the Litverse kicks off with the TNG A Time to series that fills in events between the movies Insurrection and Nemesis. Have you ever read those? Only showing up for briefings when that specialty was needed for that particular situation. 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They should have tried to make Tilly more credible first. And Id add she has a hero complex too always wants to save the day/galaxy/whathaveyou. Paradise was most likely referring to the shows production and creative teams. A rare, successful example of this is James Gunns Guardians otG and Suicide Squad, in which a similar premise is treated comedically yet with a touch of sincerity, so as not to devolve into outright farce. After the first two seasons of high pressure I thought I would have seen more growth. I would encourage her to do the same. Like damn the guy's 90 ffs give him a break. Obviously I dont know what M. Wiseman is like. David, Can we expect any surprising uses of the special things that Book can do in season four, now that he can control the spore drive? You misunderstood. Mary Wiseman: That experience affects her so much this season. Although there are speculations of Mary Wiseman's pregnancy, she is not. Would a woman watching this aspire to be a Tilly or aspire to be a Dax, Kira or Janeway? I read somewhere that Gates McFadden and Marina Sirtis had somewhere in their contract a stipulation that they had to fit into their costumes. Smart doesnt mean competent. The problem is, very deep into his 80s, and theres still chatter about him playing the action hero. It just came to me and wanted your opinion. The Tilly we saw as Earth, check that United (eyeroll) Earth was being evacuated is NOT the same Tilly we saw for the previous 40+ episodes. It is incredibly bad and is a publicly dangerous message to be sending. Release date: Star Trek Discovery season 4 will release on November 18 in the US. I dont read the same type of criticism for their male actors. Any accent would be acceptable for a time that hasnt happened yet. She went away and supposedly became an amazing well rounded person. Thank you for your counter opinion. I hate the body shaming of actresses Theres recently was yet another fanboy arse-hat bloger who on their twitter account made an unkind comment about Mary/Tilly regarding her weight. The doctor was usually the therapist. The only thing she is qualified for at Starfleet Academy is as a 23rd century specialist. The audience is growing due to our amazing loyalty, but I give them credit toobecause Discovery, we have all these new shows. Harry wasnt annoying watching him was just sad :-D. Im glad for you that you didnt find him annoying. American actress Mary Wiseman payed several smaller roles in the past but recently gained a big recognition as Cadet Sylvia Tilly in new iteration of Star Trek franchise called Star trek: Discovery. As long as Wesley Crusher exists she will always be in a race for that title. Mary Wiseman Weight Gain - Before & After Photos Exposed - Mixedarticle It always cracks me up when people say that they hate Tilly. Rather than shaming them or acting like there are only a few kinds of women worth aspiring to be. Tillys anxiety got old real fast. Mary shouldnt listen to the haters and Sonequa, I never noticed she looked any different than she did before, body wise. Everybody does NOT love Tilly. Eh, only in some particular parts of the internet. So sayeth Scotty, the contrarian. Biography Well, the entire point is she absolutely looks the way I expect her to. Given all the trouble the crew got into, Im sure they needed one on the ship. Overall, I like the fun character of Tilly (too bad the writers room made her first officer). All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. It explains why each scene is half-redundant and half-contradictory with the others within the same episode. Too nervous and anxious. Although they didnt really use secondary characters wellthey still dont. However, if we got to see Tilly gradually improve herself. Well, its certainly a good thing that Tilly is a fictional character, and neither she nor the woman who plays her (Wiseman) is in todays real-world Navy.. Speaking to Glamour UK, Sonequa Martin-Green revealed that she has dealt with body image issues too: Back in the mid-to-late eighties, early nineties, everything I saw, with hip hop, was all curvy, curvy, big butt, she recalls. Star Trek Tilly Weight Gain: Mary Wiseman Weight Gain - Is She Married But the nu left that this show panders to cant accept any opinion that isnt in agreement with it so they try to immediately invalidate it. Theres a difference between celebrating obesity and accepting individual human beings, treating them as human beings, and not targeting them specifically for emotional harassment. 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